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Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.17 15:13:30 -
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Ryac Sampaio wrote:Do these shares pay Dividends? - Sorry if the question has already been asked, can't be bothered going through nearly 50 pages of posts.
There are no shares. The suckers who give money to this get their name placed on a list of donatees.
The donatees get nothing over and above what non donatees get.
Of course the donatees get the pleasure of being in thrall to a cult leader who probably views them with contempt.
The value of that pleasure is debatable.....but possibly not in this thread since this thread is the most heavily censored thread in the history of Eve Online
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Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.17 17:01:21 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Zaha Koto wrote:Ryac Sampaio wrote:Do these shares pay Dividends? - Sorry if the question has already been asked, can't be bothered going through nearly 50 pages of posts. There are no shares. The suckers who give money to this get their name placed on a list of donatees. The donatees get nothing over and above what non donatees get. Of course the donatees get the pleasure of being in thrall to a cult leader who probably views them with contempt. The value of that pleasure is debatable.....but possibly not in this thread since this thread is the most heavily censored thread in the history of Eve Online Shares go towards a better Highsec. That's the dividend... a better market, better player experiences, less dull game overall. What better thing could you ask? ;)
One of the characteristics of cults is to bastardise language.
Apologists for James315 do this all the time.
"Making hisec a better place" What a risible nonsensical statement
But what can you expect from people blinded by their thralldom? |

Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2017.01.18 15:27:26 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Another Fun Fin alt?
A post which appears to have zero content certainly nothing pertaining to the scam that James315 is currently running.
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Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2017.01.18 15:28:11 -
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Clockwork Robot wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Another Fun Fin alt? You know you guys bang on about him so much, I'm starting to think he's one of your guy's drama-alts.
see above
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Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2017.01.18 19:27:33 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Zaha Koto wrote: A post which appears to have zero content certainly nothing pertaining to the scam that James315 is currently running.
Scam? Investing in New Order shares is probably the best investment you can make in this entire game.
Here we go again yet another example of the bastardisation of the English language.
You haven't made an "investment" you've given James315 a monetary gift
Give him a bill or so and you might get a 'tip of the hat"(whatever that is) but that's about it.
The word 'investment' has an accepted meaning. There is absolutely nothing in this thread that relates to that accepted meaning.
Let me put it another way. All of the people who have 'gifted' isk to James315 in the belief that they were making some kind of 'investment' are living in cloud cuckoo land.
But ofc cult adherents always live in cloud cuckoo land. That's the nature of the beast. |

Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.18 20:17:10 -
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"Most of us started as haters too"
Hater? I'm just pointing out that this thread is a long running scam   
I'm actually trying to save more people from losing their hard earned isk    |

Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2017.01.18 20:19:28 -
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"I do"
No you don't : you've given James315 a gift of however many millions you donated. |

Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2017.01.18 21:53:59 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:I would call content creation a loss lol You must be one of those risk averse players (esp since you're posting from a noob corp alt)
Yet another incomprehensible post that doesn't address anything in particular.
You gave James315 isk. You have lost your isk. The only result of your "investment" is that you are now poorer.
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Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2017.01.19 16:45:35 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Zaha Koto wrote:The word 'investment' has an accepted meaning. There is absolutely nothing in this thread that relates to that accepted meaning. The definition probably depends on what source you consult. If you for example look in wikipedia you find the following definition: Investment is time, energy, or matter spent in the hope of future benefits actualized within a specified date or time frame.In the case of the New Order of Highsec it is pretty obvious what the benefits are. The invested ISK goes directly into the betterment of Highsec and the restoration of a proper risk/reward situation from which everyone benefits in the end. If people talk about investing in the school system or investing in a new car they don't expect direct monetary returns. The benefits of an investment come in many forms and that should be pretty obvious. An investment in New Order shares is very similar to an investment in education or even an investment in the development of a third world nation. You have to look at the big picture to see why that is the case. Without the New Order, Highsec would be a wasteland of AFK hauling and mining. There would be almost no profit margin between trade hubs, since transport would be completely effort free and therefore meaningless because everyone could just ship his stuff with an AFK alt. The whole hauling business which do those things for cash would collapse. The ore prices would be completely destroyed since the market would be saturated with ore from all the risk free AFK mining with zero effort. Apart from that, there is the whole miner equipment branch of the industry which directly benefits from the destruction of the miners and haulers which do not obey the Code. Let's quickly check the numbers to get a feeling of how much this industry profits from this investments. If we look at the killboard stats of the elite PvP alliance CODE., we can see that roughly for every 1 ISK invested, 40 ISK of illegal mining and hauling equipment gets destroyed. So for every 1 ISK invested you create 40 ISK in demand on the mining equipment market. And that is only the obvious monetary benefit, all the other stuff like the ore prices, the hauling industry and the market profits are a lot harder to estimate. Also let's not forget the non-monetary benefits like free education for miners and haulers and a better, healthier highsec and highsec community overall. So as you can see, the benefits are objectively and verifiability astronomical and far beyond everything else you will find in this subforum. Not only that, but if you invest in New Order shares, you also get the warm feeling of being part of something greater than just you and to benefit not only your own wallet but the EVE community as a whole. That is in essence why investing in New Order shares is the best investment you can make. You don't have to be jealous because it was our Supreme Protector of Highsec, Father of the New Order our Saviour James 315 who came up with it. It takes a very special man, a hero to look at the rotten state of Highsec and not to turn away immediately in disgust but instead to take on the monumental task of rescuing it and all it's citizen. Praise James
You actually took the time to write this risible nonsense?
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Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2017.01.20 03:35:25 -
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Clockwork Robot wrote:Zaha Koto wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Zaha Koto wrote:The word 'investment' has an accepted meaning. There is absolutely nothing in this thread that relates to that accepted meaning. The definition probably depends on what source you consult. If you for example look in wikipedia you find the following definition: Investment is time, energy, or matter spent in the hope of future benefits actualized within a specified date or time frame.In the case of the New Order of Highsec it is pretty obvious what the benefits are. The invested ISK goes directly into the betterment of Highsec and the restoration of a proper risk/reward situation from which everyone benefits in the end. If people talk about investing in the school system or investing in a new car they don't expect direct monetary returns. The benefits of an investment come in many forms and that should be pretty obvious. An investment in New Order shares is very similar to an investment in education or even an investment in the development of a third world nation. You have to look at the big picture to see why that is the case. Without the New Order, Highsec would be a wasteland of AFK hauling and mining. There would be almost no profit margin between trade hubs, since transport would be completely effort free and therefore meaningless because everyone could just ship his stuff with an AFK alt. The whole hauling business which do those things for cash would collapse. The ore prices would be completely destroyed since the market would be saturated with ore from all the risk free AFK mining with zero effort. Apart from that, there is the whole miner equipment branch of the industry which directly benefits from the destruction of the miners and haulers which do not obey the Code. Let's quickly check the numbers to get a feeling of how much this industry profits from this investments. If we look at the killboard stats of the elite PvP alliance CODE., we can see that roughly for every 1 ISK invested, 40 ISK of illegal mining and hauling equipment gets destroyed. So for every 1 ISK invested you create 40 ISK in demand on the mining equipment market. And that is only the obvious monetary benefit, all the other stuff like the ore prices, the hauling industry and the market profits are a lot harder to estimate. Also let's not forget the non-monetary benefits like free education for miners and haulers and a better, healthier highsec and highsec community overall. So as you can see, the benefits are objectively and verifiability astronomical and far beyond everything else you will find in this subforum. Not only that, but if you invest in New Order shares, you also get the warm feeling of being part of something greater than just you and to benefit not only your own wallet but the EVE community as a whole. That is in essence why investing in New Order shares is the best investment you can make. You don't have to be jealous because it was our Supreme Protector of Highsec, Father of the New Order our Saviour James 315 who came up with it. It takes a very special man, a hero to look at the rotten state of Highsec and not to turn away immediately in disgust but instead to take on the monumental task of rescuing it and all it's citizen. Praise James You actually took the time to write this risible nonsense? Yes. With the intent of baiting a response from you, which they got, and will now continue to fish for, since youve shown that you'll give them tasty chum. Honestly, I thought you said you understood this.
As it ever occurred to you that I might be baiting Code and that I'm getting risible nonsensical posts from them by the bucket load. Nothing proves my point that this is not a Market Discussions thread more than the nonsense that Code apologists write trying to assert that it is. I uninstalled Eve Online some time ago and no longer play the game. I've watched 2 films about Scientology recently. They are bad enough in real life I don't need that kind of stuff in a game. |

Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.20 18:20:23 -
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blah blah blah |

Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.21 03:06:09 -
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James 315 wrote:Some fun facts about our shareholder program: 1. Not a cult 2. Not a scam 3. An awesome investment for savvy businessmen and businesswomen 4. More new shareholders today and over 1 trillion 107 billion isk now! 5. OP UPDATED TO REFLECT ADDITIONAL PURCHASES6. 
1. yes it IS a cult 2. Yes it IS a scam 3. The worst example of the bastardisation of the English language I have ever seen. 4. Yet more suckers 5. Meh |

Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.21 03:31:48 -
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"Charity"
Are you mad bro? |

Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.21 15:26:00 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Zaha Koto wrote:"Charity"
Are you mad bro? I doubt he is, but you are XD
Have you ever considered cosulting a psychiatrist
You appear to have an obsessive compulsion to reply to EVERY post I make with a derogatory reply. I can't recall EVER seeing you make a positive post or in fact EVER contributing anything useful.
See a doctor m8 you need help
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Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2017.01.22 09:13:06 -
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The Last WordGäó |

Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2017.01.22 18:50:08 -
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Luthor Ikkala wrote:Think this as good way to keeping demand up on certain mods and ships. How would you sell anything on market if ships doesnt get blown up. Market only works if people need to buy stuff from there. Yes i feel sorry for the lost un insured ships that are afk mining or that mine without any tank
I'm having some real difficulty here.
James315 starts a thread where he purports to sell shares. I KNOW that he isn't selling shares because I sent off some isk for a share and I never received it. So James315 is a liar. He's a serial liar. Everything he states in this thread is a lie. He is a BAREFACED liar. This thread has nothing whatsoever to do with the Market
Ok so what is this thread about? Well James315 tells people he's selling shares and when people send him isk he just trousers it. Do people get shares for their isk? NO. So what do they get for their isk? Remember that over a trillion isk has been sent atm. Well, actually they don't get anything for their isk. Are their 'shares' saleable? NO, Insofar as these purported shares don't exist then by definition they are not saleable. Do these 'shares' have any value.? Something that doesn't exist doesn't have any value. What has this got to do with the 'Market Discussions' forum? Absolutely nothing at all. There is zero connection between this crooked dishonest risible thread and the Market in Eve. |

Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2017.01.22 19:13:25 -
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James Zealot wrote:Zaha Koto wrote:Luthor Ikkala wrote:Think this as good way to keeping demand up on certain mods and ships. How would you sell anything on market if ships doesnt get blown up. Market only works if people need to buy stuff from there. Yes i feel sorry for the lost un insured ships that are afk mining or that mine without any tank I'm having some real difficulty here. James315 starts a thread where he purports to sell shares. I KNOW that he isn't selling shares because I sent off some isk for a share and I never received it. So James315 is a liar. He's a serial liar. Everything he states in this thread is a lie. He is a BAREFACED liar. This thread has nothing whatsoever to do with the Market Ok so what is this thread about? Well James315 tells people he's selling shares and when people send him isk he just trousers it. Do people get shares for their isk? NO. So what do they get for their isk? Remember that over a trillion isk has been sent atm. Well, actually they don't get anything for their isk. Are their 'shares' saleable? NO, Insofar as these purported shares don't exist then by definition they are not saleable. Do these 'shares' have any value.? Something that doesn't exist doesn't have any value. What has this got to do with the 'Market Discussions' forum? Absolutely nothing at all. There is zero connection between this crooked dishonest risible thread and the Market in Eve. Pretty sure most of the donations are there to support what they do. People just donate to that cause I believe. No one really cares lol
What exactly is the connection between my post and your reply?
None whatsoever James315 is not asking for donations ( which by definition have no value ) he's selling "shares" which are supposed to have value except that James315s' shares are worthless |

Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2017.01.22 19:24:13 -
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James Zealot wrote:Zaha Koto wrote:James Zealot wrote:Zaha Koto wrote:Luthor Ikkala wrote:Think this as good way to keeping demand up on certain mods and ships. How would you sell anything on market if ships doesnt get blown up. Market only works if people need to buy stuff from there. Yes i feel sorry for the lost un insured ships that are afk mining or that mine without any tank I'm having some real difficulty here. James315 starts a thread where he purports to sell shares. I KNOW that he isn't selling shares because I sent off some isk for a share and I never received it. So James315 is a liar. He's a serial liar. Everything he states in this thread is a lie. He is a BAREFACED liar. This thread has nothing whatsoever to do with the Market Ok so what is this thread about? Well James315 tells people he's selling shares and when people send him isk he just trousers it. Do people get shares for their isk? NO. So what do they get for their isk? Remember that over a trillion isk has been sent atm. Well, actually they don't get anything for their isk. Are their 'shares' saleable? NO, Insofar as these purported shares don't exist then by definition they are not saleable. Do these 'shares' have any value.? Something that doesn't exist doesn't have any value. What has this got to do with the 'Market Discussions' forum? Absolutely nothing at all. There is zero connection between this crooked dishonest risible thread and the Market in Eve. Pretty sure most of the donations are there to support what they do. People just donate to that cause I believe. No one really cares lol What exactly is the connection between my post and your reply? None whatsoever  James315 is not asking for donations ( which by definition have no value ) he's selling "shares" which are supposed to have value except that James315s' shares are worthless Right, I know that. I think most know that as well.
So you 'know' that James315s' shares are worthless and not worth the paper they're not written on?
If that is so I think it's a first for this thread    |

Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2017.01.22 20:11:10 -
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James 315 wrote:Zaha Koto wrote:I'm having some real difficulty here.
James315 starts a thread where he purports to sell shares. I KNOW that he isn't selling shares because I sent off some isk for a share and I never received it. I haven't received any isk from Zaha Koto. If you were using another character, simply give us his name and we can clear up all this confusion, I think. 
i have another character that is on your record of donations received however I don't consider that as owning a share since I don't have a negotiable instrument. The idea that you can maintain a list of people that have donated isk to you without receiving anything in return and then call them shareholders is risible
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Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.22 20:33:51 -
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James 315 wrote:And the character's name, if you please? 
The characters name isn't relevant.
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Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.22 20:52:19 -
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James 315 wrote:I'd like to hear you say the character's name.
Why? |

Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.22 21:04:44 -
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James 315 wrote:You know why.
I do? Pray tell
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Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.22 22:44:14 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Zaha Koto wrote:James 315 wrote:You know why. I do? Pray tell do you know why you won't say the toon's name? it's quite simple... See, you never sent any isk for one share. Mystery solved #Dunked
Omg Dom 'Deluded' Arkaral has spoken yet more words of unutterably moronic wisdom 
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Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.23 02:49:46 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Zaha Koto wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Zaha Koto wrote:James 315 wrote:You know why. I do? Pray tell do you know why you won't say the toon's name? it's quite simple... See, you never sent any isk for one share. Mystery solved #Dunked Omg Dom 'Deluded' Arkaral has spoken yet more words of unutterably moronic wisdom  I'm beginning to suspect that Dom 'Deluded' Arkaral might be one of James315s' alts. Didn't you know? We're all James315 alts XD
I should imagine that James315 would be extremely embarassed that anybody would think somebody as dim and deluded as you could be his alt.
Remember you are just a cult adherent.....you can't get to be more of an insignificant nobody than that.
And particularly remember that James315 views you with total contempt.
You gave James315 several hundred million isk for nothing...why would he view you as anything but an easily suckered idiot?
You really need to wise up m8 |

Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.23 04:23:46 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:I bought the shares because it's a cause that's worth it imo.. Bots and bot-aspirants don't have their place in EVE CODE. and the Code are there to make sure of that.. I see no point in trying to give my opinion since I'm "delusional" because I support something you don't  bai
How many times do I have to say this?
You didn't buy shares
There are no shares
You gave away your isk
Delusional? Of course you are delusional. You don't appear to understand the normal usage of the English language.
This delusion is par for the course for cult adherents. Once you realise there is no 'cause' just James315 getting richer you will start to regain your sanity. However you won't ever get your isk back. That's gone for good 
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Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.23 07:49:01 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Zaha Koto wrote:How many times do I have to say this? You didn't buy shares There are no shares You gave away your isk Delusional? Of course you are delusional. You don't appear to understand the normal usage of the English language. This delusion is par for the course for cult adherents. Once you realise there is no 'cause' just James315 getting richer you will start to regain your sanity. However you won't ever get your isk back. That's gone for good  Of course there are shares. There is a Shareholder's page that records every such transaction. And of course shareholders give away their ISK. That's how currencies work: you exchange them for goods, services or other financial instruments (like shares in a business venture). You don't get a haircut, a used car, or shares in General Electric and get to keep your money. You have to give your money to the other party. You appear to have an unhealthy fixation on what other people do with their imaginary space money. I mean, whether some numbers in the game database are in one column or another doesn't seem to matter much in the grand scheme of things. If New Order shares aren't the investment for you that is all fine and dandy, but virtually running around in front of the bank waving your hands in the air and yelling "There are no shares!" makes you appear as some sort of crazy person given there are shares and their owners are listed on minerbumping.com for the world to see and verify if they wish.
You are as deluded as Dom Arkaral
So I will repeat yet again :-
There are no shares
Having your name on a list of people who have donated isk to James315 does not constitute a share.
Shareholders do not 'give away' their money they exchange it for a negotiable financial instrument.
You have given away your isk. You will not get any return on your isk. Your isk will not be returned to you.
I am sorry for your loss.
Remember :-
THERE ARE NO SHARES JUST A LIST OF DONATEES
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Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.23 17:58:57 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Zaha Koto wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:I bought the shares because it's a cause that's worth it imo.. Bots and bot-aspirants don't have their place in EVE CODE. and the Code are there to make sure of that.. I see no point in trying to give my opinion since I'm "delusional" because I support something you don't  bai How many times do I have to say this? You didn't buy shares There are no shares You gave away your isk Delusional? Of course you are delusional. You don't appear to understand the normal usage of the English language. This delusion is par for the course for cult adherents. Once you realise there is no 'cause' just James315 getting richer you will start to regain your sanity. However you won't ever get your isk back. That's gone for good  The levels of hate coming from you are astounding lmao Afaik, my English is on par with regular English speakers (people can't tell it's not my first language) As for the accusation of being delusional, you're not the first nor the last to throw that one at me, and it gets funnier each time someone tries to insult my mental state since obviously y'all know me better than I know myself (/s) I wouldn't expect people to support you with that beyond-cancerous attitude  Oh welp
You mad bro?
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Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.23 18:53:06 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Let the hate flow I don't think I laughed this much in a while The incomprehension you show is beyond anything I've seen lol... especially from a "11 years old vet"  /me thinks you like Hello Kitty Online a lot Too bad this is EVE, where the strong thrive and the weak cry on the forums XD
You mad bro?
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Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.23 22:05:57 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote: /me thinks you like Hello Kitty Online a lot
It's been quite a while since this was last brought up ...telling Eve players to go to Hello Kitty Online used to be a kind of meme here several years ago. So, no offense, but I got to ask: have you ever tried it yourself? Because..uhm...I have. And let me tell you, it's HARDCORE. About the first item you get in this game is a big ax. Then a pickax and scissors. So...we can imagine how to put these instruments to good use, I guess. Mind you, this game is intended for children. The tutorial tells you how to use the ax to chop wood and the pickax to mine- I forgot what the scissors were used for. So you enter the pink sweet candy world of Hello Kitty online, tightly gripping your ax, and see other people using their pickaxes to mine. Now here's where I encountered a major, game breaking bug, since for reasons unknown I couldn't use my ax to kill and dismember the miners. I had harvested some wood in advance and was planning to plant the heads of slain miners on those sticks to mark my newly claimed territory in this strange, strange world- but this turned out to be impossible, either by wilful negligence of the devs or another major bug. So I soon lost interest and canceled my account, yet I'm still excited thinking about the endless possibilities that could have been. And if you think I'm making this up, because no person could possibly be this pathetic, then you probably underestimate the power of sheer boredom. And here is the proof. Now I've written a lot of stupid text in other people's threads...sorry about that..uhm... just let me buy 100 shares for wasting your time, OK? Thanks GÖÑ
You just managed to achieve a new 'low' for the intellectual level of this thread (which was incredibly low to start with ) Congratulations!!
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Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.02.03 21:57:55 -
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James 315 wrote:A toast, to healthiness--and to the additional shareholders who brought us over the 1 trillion 113 billion isk mark! OP UPDATED TO REFLECT ADDITIONAL PURCHASES
You aren't selling shares ergo you didn't get more shareholders.
You got more people donating isk to you for the privilege of being placed on your 'suckers' list
Don't you ever get tired of lieing through your teeth? |

Zaha Koto
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.02.03 22:06:38 -
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Apropos my previous post I notice that I haven't yet featured in minerbumping.com
Am I not 'melting down' enough for you?    |
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